Hey buffon when Ice cube makes a movie he isnt just a rapper. He doesnt own the studio that put out his last movie. I think its crock of sh8t to pull advertismenets from Imus and fire him when he said less racist stuff than Ice cube or Carlos mencia. I saw friday on tv and and guess what it had commercial in it. Why is it ok to advertise during his movies and not the I mans show. You say there is a major difference beteen hip hip artists and someone who works in tv. Hey Ive seen Ice cube on tv. Your point is moot. If he says something racist he should be treated the same way as anyone else.
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sadly its like that old episode of seinfeld where Jerry accused his dentist of converting to Judism just for the jokes...
if its your religion/race you can say whatever you want.
Its because of ppl like Al Sharpton and Jessee that more white comedians can't take the same approach that Carlos Mencia and Dave Chappelle have.
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everybody knows that Carlos Mencia isn't a mexican right? He's like half German and something else, and his real name is I think Ned Holness. Back when Ned started, he said he was raised in L.A., in a Mexican community. So, he's kinda a racist. Nobody see where Joe Rogan exposed him for stealing jokes? and where George Lopez knocked his lights out for stealing 13 minutes of his material?
We were talking about music not movies for one dumbsh!t, watch the name calling. If you wanna talk about movies, then thats apples to oranges too. Ice Cube is playing a character in a movie, hes not representing himself hes acting. Imus was representing himself and definietely was not acting. Actors get paid to say whatever is in the script. I promise you, Rambo doesnt go out and slit everyones throat in real life after they arrest him for vagrancy.
When it comes to movies, there is a rating system that producers must follow. If the FCC approves then its pretty much good to go. There are several movies out there that have been banned from theatre like Master P's Im Bout It and obviously porn is only showed in "adult" theatres. If you cant censor porn, how in the world would you even censor Ice Cube. Imus was fired for representing himself and his network. What he said in my opinion wasnt racist, it was just wrong. Im not the one to say he needs to be held accountable but at the same time, there is a fine line there that he crossed. The FCC could very well start slapping these networks with fines for that type of talk. We arent talking about movies where they slap the rating on them and you have to be 18 or whatever to rent them/go see them, we are talking about public airwaves that are free for everyone to view. Last time I checked you cant buy those Ice Cube cds or movies unless you are 18 years old. There is no warning for Imus. There are stickers on cds that say parental advisory, explicit lyrics. Its a dumb comparison. I agree with Whitlock, those guys shouldnt say what they say but let me know when Whitlock comes up with an idea to regulate censorship better.
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Duh!!! Ice cube is Black. Don Imus is white.
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Yeah and Eminem is white and has his own movies and is pretty much known as a more controversial rapper than Cube. It has nothing to do with race. What he said was on national radio for anyone to hear and what he said is inappropriate. Its not it was the first time he had ever said anything inappropriate either. Sharpton and Jackson got thier way unfortunately. Firing Imus really doesnt do anything but if it does do anything, it will make media members see that they have to be more responsible to at least keep their jobs.
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Im not the one to say he needs to be held accountable but at the same time, there is a fine line there that he crossed. The FCC could very well start slapping these networks with fines for that type of talk.
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He didn't violate any FCC rules. In fact he didn't even bend any. He nor his employers had an concerns there.
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Thats cool, not exactly what I meant. I should have rephrased. One guy pushes the envelope, then the next guy presses it a little harder, and eventually its out of control. Shock culture media is a problem of its own. The world is better off without the Stern's, Imuses, Opie and Anthony's, etc. Its every americans choice to listen to what they want to listen to in the end. In arenas like XM/Sirius satellite, guys like Stern can pretty much say what they want. On other networks, they arent going to get away with it. FCC or no FCC, maybe its groups like msnbc and cbs that need to step up and do a little more regulating themselves.
I think there is a chance of the reverse happening.
You can already see a degree of anger from the right due to the perception that Jackson and Sharpton got their way despite their own past "sins".
There is also a faint howl of 1st amendment concern starting to rise from the left due to this. In fact CBS as much as tried an appeasement already by placing two very vocal Imus supporters and huge critics of the action taken against him in his time spot. This was clearly an attempt to duck some of the heat.
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Im anxious to see what will come of this in the years ahead. I just have a feeling that this will be a measurement for the future.
One difference I see, is that Imus called out a specific group of young ladies as his target. Of course I don't agree with it either way - it's just another point to discuss.
http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20070413/D8OFV5G81.html
With Imus Gone, Critics Turning to Rap
Apr 13, 5:13 PM (ET)
By MARCUS FRANKLIN
NEW YORK (AP) - Fighting in vain to keep his job, radio host Don Imus claimed that rappers routinely "defame and demean black women" and call them "worse names than I ever did."
That's an argument many people made as the Imus fallout intensified, culminating with his firing Thursday for labeling the Rutgers women's basketball team "nappy-headed hos." Now that Imus has been silenced (for the moment), some critics are moving down the radio dial to take on hip-hop, boosting the growing movement against harmful themes in rap.
"We all know where the real battleground is," wrote Kansas City Star columnist Jason Whitlock. "We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show."
"We have to begin working on a response to the larger problem," said the Rev. DeForest B. Soaries Jr., who as pastor of the Rutgers coach helped mediate the Imus imbroglio. Soaries announced Friday that he is organizing a nationwide initiative to address the culture that "has produced language that has denigrated women."
The Rev. Al Sharpton, among the loudest critics calling for Imus' termination, indicated that entertainment is the next battleground. "We will not stop until we make it clear that no one should denigrate women," he said after Imus' firing. "We must deal with the fact that ho and the b-word are words that are wrong from anybody's lips.
"It would be wrong if we stopped here and acted like Imus was the only problem. There are others that need to get this same message."
It is a message that was spreading even before Imus' comments.
After "Seinfeld" actor Michael Richards was castigated for a racist on-stage rant, the New York City Council passed a symbolic resolution banning the n-word, and other cities around the country have passed similar measures.
Cultural critic, author and columnist Stanley Crouch, a longtime foe of rap music, suspected the Imus ordeal would galvanize young black women across the country. He said a key moment was when the Rutgers players appeared at a news conference this week - poised, dignified and defying stereotypes seen in rap videos and "dumb" comedies.
"When the public got to see these women, what they were, it was kind of shocking," Crouch said. "It made accepting the denigration not quite as comfortable as it had been for far too long."
Some defenders of rap music and hip-hop culture, such as the pioneering mogul Russell Simmons, deny any connection between Imus and hip-hop. They describe rap lyrics as reflections of the violent, drug-plagued, hopeless environments that many rappers come from. Instead of criticizing rappers, defenders say, critics should improve their reality.
"Comparing Don Imus' language with hip-hop artists' poetic expression is misguided and inaccurate and feeds into a mindset that can be a catalyst for unwarranted, rampant censorship," Simmons said in a statement Friday.
The superstar rapper Snoop Dogg also denied any connection to Imus. "(Rappers) are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports," he told MTV.com. "We're talking about hos that's in the 'hood that ain't doing ---- that's trying to get a n---- for his money."
Criticism of rap is nothing new - it began soon after the music emerged from New York City's underclass more than 30 years ago.
In 1990, the rapper-turned actor Queen Latifah challenged rap's misogyny in her hit song "U.N.I.T.Y." In 1993, C. Delores Tucker, who was chairwoman of the National Political Congress of Black Women Inc., led an organized movement - which included Congressional hearings - condemning sexist and violent rap.
That same year, the Rev. Calvin Butts of the Abyssinian Baptist Church in Harlem drove a steamroller over a pile of tapes and CDs.
In 2004, students at Spelman College, a black women's college in Atlanta, became upset over rapper Nelly's video for his song "Tip Drill," in which he cavorts with strippers and swipes a credit card between one woman's buttocks. The rapper wanted to hold a campus bone marrow drive for his ailing sister, but students demanded he first participate in a discussion about the video's troubling images. Nelly declined.
In 2005, Essence magazine launched its "Take Back the Music" campaign. Writers such as Joan Morgan and Kierna Mayo and filmmaker Byron Hurt also have tackled the issue recently.
T. Denean Sharpley-Whiting, author of "Pimps Up, Ho's Down: Hip Hop's Hold on Young Black Women" and a professor at Vanderbilt University, said many black women resist rap music and hip-hop culture, but their efforts are largely ignored by mainstream media. As an example, the professor pointed to "Rap Sessions," the 10-city tour in which she's participating. She said the tour and its central question - does hip-hop hate women? - have gotten very little mainstream media coverage.
"It's only when we interface with a powerful white media personality like Imus that the issue is raised and the question turns to 'Why aren't you as vociferous in your critique of hip-hop?' We have been! You've been listening to the music but you haven't been listening to the protests from us."
Crouch said that change in rap music and entertainment likely won't come fast, because corporations are still profiting from the business - but it's coming.
"I've been on (rappers) for 20 years," Crouch said. "I was in the civil rights movement. I know it takes a long time when you're standing up against extraordinary money and great power. But we're beginning to see a shift."
You'll shoot your eye out.
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